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There are 2 messages under the topic 'Dead tree - stag or snag?'
Posted by : Jason Berrigan 16/04/08 9:07 am

An ecologist from the US, Erica Ritter emailed me with the following after discovering the ECA site while searching for information on the ecological consulting industry in regards to what charge rates ranged from.

She asked if she could post the following comment from the US perspective given related comments:

"Hi, I found your site while exploring the question of what to charge for ecological consulting here in Oregon, USA.
While I didn't find any discussion of pricing a job, I found the other discussions very interesting. 

I wanted to respond to one, "Stag or Snag," but it's probably not appropriate to become a member just to post one comment!

Yes, here in the US we call dead trees "snags," including the upright antler-looking ones.  I had never heard of anyone calling them "stags" until I stumbled upon your discussion.  Now that you mention it, I can see the resemblence. 
 
As an educator, I prefer to define my technical terms to minimize confusion.  If your client seems most comfortable with one or the other, (or you like the idea of using one for "keepers" and another for "removables), go with it. Choose your term, clarify it for your clients, and then be consistent in your report.  e.g. this, or just the last part if you're short on space:
 
Stag/Snag Survey:
Stags/Snags are dead trees.  Though they may look like their useful life is over, in fact their hollows are home to many species of birds, mammals, and insects.  Stag/snag surveys help determine whether dead trees are currently occupied by protected species." 
 
As to which term will be more readily understood in your area, I won't presume to guess.
 
Yours,
Erica Ritter
Portland, OR USA

 


Posted by : Stefan Rose 25/02/08 9:52 am

 

Posted by Derek Engel 22/02/08  5:56 pm:

Hey there Jenny,

 

With reference to the DECC Threatened Species Survey Guidelines there is the following comment :

"Stag watches involve observing potentially occupied hollow-bearing trees" and " involves looking for signs of occupancy of large tree hollows, including stag watching."

Based on this, I'm guessing, as we all hold the guidelines close to our hearts, its stag.

As an aside, with reference to that other classic publication "The Chainsaw Operators Manual: The safe use of chainsaws (which no ecologist should be with out) theres this great definition that goes “Snags (stags) – a snag is usually a dead or severely damages tree that may cause problems”. So maybe it should be snags. There is the option that when writing your reports and considering whether to save or clear a tree, you refer to it as a stag if saving it, but when wanting to chop it down / remove it, refer to it as a snag.

Now, being a Friday night, I'm off to have a cold beer and a snag

Posted by Jenny Lewis 21/02/08  12:19 pm:

We've always referred to a dead tree as a 'stag' and in the field undertake evening 'stag watches' to look for animals leaving hollows. A lot of the literature refers to 'snags' which confused me at first as I always thought a snag was in a river (or something you throw on the barbie [thank you stefan]).

Are dead trees stags in Australia and snags in the U.S.? What does everyone else think? I guess the obvious answer is to just call them 'dead trees' . . .




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